Bunker Mulligan "Let us endeavor so to live that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." ~Mark Twain

October 8, 2004

Kosovo Part II

Filed under: International — Bunker @ 1:52 pm

I just had a long discussion with my liberal friend at work (his son is back at Bragg, and doing well) about the reasons we went into Iraq. I know, it’s a tired subject. But it is something he feels strongly enough about to make his support of Kerry very strong. We both know that discussion, not conversion, is the issue. Neither of us will change our mind about this election.

His bounce on this is the WMD reason for going to war, and the feeling that the war was economic. Had sanctions been lifted, Saddam was going to trade oil in Euros rather than dollars. Perhaps there is something to that.

But I raised the issue of Kosovo with him. In a way he hadn’t considered. Like most Democrats, the knee-jerk is “Clinton-basher!” But he knows me better, so he stifled it–but it took some inner strength to do so!

When Clinton decided we needed to intervene in Kosovo, the basis for that intervention was humanitarian. People were being murdered in genocidal fashion, and there were mass graves everywhere. We had no national interest in the doings there except in a humanitarian way. It was a European problem which the Europeans needed to handle. They couldn’t, and wouldn’t. Neither would the UN. So America did. I remember feeling there was a need to do something, but didn’t feel it was our place. When it became clear Europe was going to sit on their collective hands (or thumbs), I thought our involvement was justified. So did most Americans.

There were no mass graves. That doesn’t mean Clinton was wrong to use force.

When Bush decided to intervene in Iraq, the basis was to fight terrorism and prevent the development of WMD there. But something which is not talked about often enough is that the same reasons for invading Kosovo existed in Iraq. On top of that, we did have a national interest in doing so.

There were no WMDs in Iraq. That doesn’t mean Bush was wrong to use force.
There are mass graves in Iraq. That doesn’t mean Bush was wrong to use force.

Kosovo was not in our national interest, yet is was right for us to take action. Iraq was in our national interest, and had the identical situation as Kosovo–and more.

If we were right to go into Kosovo on humanitarian issues alone, were we not also right to go into Iraq for the same reason?

Jury Duty

Filed under: General Rants — Bunker @ 11:26 am

I received a summons for jury duty the other day. Monday, 18 October. Unlike most people, I don’t complain about it. I like jury duty.

I’ve only been selected once in civilian life. I’ve served on courts martial, which is a little different. Usually I didn’t get selected for those, either. Defense attorneys in the Air Force don’t like to see prior-enlisted or maintenance officers on the panel, and I fit both categories. Similarly, civilian attorneys exclude engineers and doctors when possible.

The wait during the selection process gives me some free time to simply read, and the voir dire is always interesting. I think I bring something to a jury, and I like being of value. I pay attention, and enjoy watching each lawyer do his job. I simply try to do mine, and follow the law as directed by the judge. To me, it isn’t boring.

And I am certainly the kind of person I would want to have on a jury if I were involved in a case.

Chirac in Hanoi

Filed under: International — Bunker @ 10:06 am

DRUDGE has this today.

Speaking at a French cultural center in Hanoi ahead of Friday’s opening of a summit of European and Asian leaders, Chirac said France was right to stand up for cultural and linguistic diversity.

I wonder if he spoke in French or Vietnamese.

A word Kerry doesn’t use

Filed under: Politics — Bunker @ 7:04 am

Frank asks, “What’s Missing From Kerry’s Vocabulary?”

In 1971, he said this:

“we cannot fight communism all over the world, and I think we should have learned that lesson by now.”

I won’t spoil the rest of it for you. He has broken the code that’s troubled him for nine months regarding Kerry’s mein.

Rose colored glasses

Filed under: International — Bunker @ 6:56 am

Tomorrow there will be elections in Afghanistan. The first. This morning’s NPR report spoke of how this election has more legitimacy than the ones upcoming in Iraq because the UN is involved. I guess they think the UN is a legitimate organization.

The report also spoke of how contentious the election could be. Karzai has already had his life threatened, and has survived attacks. Thugs have trashed campaign organization offices, and some people are being threatened if they vote.

My goodness. Good thing we don’t have those problems here. (Thanks, Sarah) Our President and other candidates might need to have bodyguards. And we know nobody in this country would threaten a fellow citizen for their choice of candidate.

I’m just a Pollyanna.

***UPDATE***
Scott Norvell has a great piece at Tech Central Station.

Debates

Filed under: Politics — Bunker @ 6:15 am

I understand there is another debate tonight. I won’t watch this one either. I already know which candidate I am going to vote for. I’ve known for three years. The only Democrat I would have considered was Joe Leiberman, and the Democrats didn’t want him. He is too sane.

The debates really serve no purpose. Who in this country really don’t know for whom they will vote. The debates are far more akin to a sporting event. Two competitors vie for a win, and their supporters cheer them from the sidelines. Afterwards, there will be all kinds of analysis of mistakes and touchdowns.

Photo Shop

Filed under: Media — Bunker @ 5:40 am

On his show yesterday, Lago had Gary, the creator of many political graphics you’ve seen. Check this one.

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